View Full Version : Why I do not like the Source (spoilers within!!!!!)
Ryanwizzard
09-21-2007, 04:47 PM
First I want to say that I find Adrian a terrific actor and I am sorry that he was dragged into this cinematic disaster.
There is a whole lot wrong with the Source. The cartoonlike blurred fightscenes, the bad Queen covered soundtrack, the lack of a good story, to name a few.
The thing however I disliked most about the movie.
They stepped on all the sacred Highlander rules.:eek:
They cannot have children. Duncan now can.
They are immortal and can only be killed by beheading. Nope if they are close to the source they die normally, and when they come very close to the source they will move like Roadrunner.
The cannot and will not fight on holy ground. They trew that rule also out of the window.
The main rule there can be only one. Is now explained as an misinterpretation. All the immortals had it wrong all those years. That really did hurt. Because it also ruins hoe we looked at the first movie and the excellent series. Yep beheading was a big mistake.
I do not know what the writer and the main producer was thinking when they made this "movie". It looks like they want to kill the franchise forever. This movie turns the whole Highlanderuniverse upside doen and even does not explain why.
bradtisme
09-22-2007, 01:47 PM
By the way, Adrian was executive producer and saw the script before he signed on the line. I have a hard-time buying that it was much different than what we ended up seeing so he should bear an equal share of the blame for this bad movie as much as anyone else. Can't see him being a victim in this but a willng participant.
Cara et Pax
09-23-2007, 02:57 AM
By the way, Adrian was executive producer and saw the script before he signed on the line. I have a hard-time buying that it was much different than what we ended up seeing so he should bear an equal share of the blame for this bad movie as much as anyone else. Can't see him being a victim in this but a willng participant.
In my opinion,Adrian signed on for the movie based on an earlier version of the script.After Adrian had committed Bill Panzer changed the script back to the version HE wanted with a rewrite by Kelvin Watkins.I place the choice of script squarely in Bill Panzer's lap and further problems with his choice of Brett Leonard as director who had no knowledge of HL the series.He said he was able to "develop" the script.This is part of an interview with Leonard from Spinning Image.
TSI: It was quite a surprise to see your name attached to Highlander: The Source [as director]. Are you a fan of the Highlander franchise?
BL: I was a fan of the first movie, so when they came to me to do it ? it falls into the exact opposite side of my filmmaking oevre, which is, again, effects-driven fantasy sci-fi ? they really wanted to reinvigorate the franchise and do something much better from a script standpoint. I was able to develop the script to a much greater degree of satisfaction than I was able to do with Man-Thing. I just finished shooting it in Lithuania, very challenging. It was like going to the Gulag Archipelago and making a movie. There are great people, great talent there and all that but it?s just a very challenging place especially as it was all exterior nights, six-day week exterior nights in the frigid winter weather. That got a little taxing but I?m very happy with what I got in the can and I?m just starting to edit it. It?s very different. It?s what I would call the dark Highlander. It?s a very dark world. Adrian Paul is the lead. He?s playing Duncan MacLeod from the TV series. I actually had never really even seen the TV series. I?m not a big TV fan so I came fresh to him and his character. I just wanted him to be very dark and brooding, something very different to what I eventually saw in some of the episodes of the TV series. It?ll be a fresh experience for the Highlander fans. It answers some of the questions. There?s a very interesting villain called The Guardian who?s just really strange (laughs).
:( With that above in mind,I think that Adrian had very little chance of postively correcting the script.
Just my humble two cents here.
StephyC
09-23-2007, 08:45 AM
I totally agree Carol,
I have a feeling that both Adrian and David thought they would have far more control/input than they were eventually allowed to have. Seems there were several versions of this script but the one they used was the one BP insisted on.
What ever possessed PD to employ a director that was only familiar with the first movie and not the series is totally beyond me. No matter how the story goes what this movie lacks most is the relationships between the characters that we loved from the series. Guess Mr Leonard was just clueless about that and we have all seen the results.
I have to agree with Carol and Stephy on this one. We've seen Adrian's talents on epi where he had control of the work done and I too have read all those interviews. Adrian knows the Highlander Fan Base and he would have done everything in his power to give them what they wanted in a Highlander movie. JMHO.
Thelt
09-24-2007, 08:59 PM
I thought there were a few good moments for AP. The scene where Joe died and when he talks about Tessa were great. He did not do a bad acting job. The movie as a whole though was substandard. The look of it was not appealing to me. The fight scenes were choppy and sped up too much. They did not have enough time to develop the story enough. I thought it was supposed to be a trilogy. It probably needed to be in order to explain it all. As it was it seemed like a cliff notes version.
I wish the team that did the series could do the movies as well. To me the series was much better than anything that has been done in any of the movies including the first one.
Sharon D.H.
09-25-2007, 12:33 AM
I have to agree with Carol and Stephy on this one. We've seen Adrian's talents on epi where he had control of the work done and I too have read all those interviews. Adrian knows the Highlander Fan Base and he would have done everything in his power to give them what they wanted in a Highlander movie. JMHO.
Well said. I agree some of the stuff was "Roadrunner" and "Blurred" and "May be "substandard" . It sure wasn't the Blockbuster we all hoped for but for Tv is was ok. All of the Actors did pretty well. Not what we as fans expected but ok just the same.
bradtisme
09-25-2007, 02:11 AM
Just seems like if all of the above is true than Adrian failed to get a contract that would specify how much creative control he'd have. Why sign on the dotted-line after the way he was burned with Endgame if there was any doubt? The basic idea for the movie is inherently flawed in that it so deviated from previous Highlander lore that it would naturally be disagreeable to most fans. The degree of extreme sci-fi that the basic premise takes HL is so far in the direction of Highlander2, Adrian should have known better. Aside from all that, the script is so full of plotholes that it's like swiss cheese. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth of a great many Highlander fans.
IMHO
pepeperfume
09-25-2007, 02:29 PM
The thing however I disliked most about the movie.
They stepped on all the sacred Highlander rules.:eek:
In the Russian Version you could at least believe that the game was to continue--just maybe in a different way---but with the Netherlands and Sci-fi version, Anna tells you that the Game --and the motto: "There Can Be Only One" was just a lie...which means the movies were lies and so was the Series....
buddylott
09-25-2007, 07:45 PM
Finding the source of the immortals would be interesting. I am very disappointed in the movie. Lots of interesting things have been said and here is my 2 cents worth.
The movie/script had a lot of potential but none of the follow thru. Too many convenient and inconsistent happenings. Too much reliance on the narrative. I would welcome a GOOD book that took what was offered in the movie and expand on it.
The biggest questions wer never answered ... Why are there Immortals? What was so special about the baby?
The "There can only be one." rule ... Anna may have called it a "lie" but that still fits with the spirit of the movies/tv show ... if you look at it from the perspective of a strategy.
Only one immortal could win the prize ... if you want to the be the "winner" then the best way to make sure of it is to eliminate the competition. As long as one person was playing by that rule, then all would be subject to it. The lie could be that it was a rule and not just a strategy.
The only thing I see wrong with this explanation is that there is a lot of implication that "character" decided the winner more (or at least as much) than skill . This would mean that some immortals would never be able to win.
The 'holy ground' thing always seemed a little odd. It always seem that the whole planet could be considered a holy ground, so it always seemed like a convenient plot point rather than a well thought one.
pepeperfume
09-26-2007, 05:50 PM
By the way, Adrian was executive producer and saw the script before he signed on the line. I have a hard-time buying that it was much different than what we ended up seeing so he should bear an equal share of the blame for this bad movie as much as anyone else. Can't see him being a victim in this but a willng participant.
I really don't agree with you at all---The director and editing can really make or break some movies--a lack of funds and special effects techs that don't know what they are doing can as well--
If you take away the silly planets, and the hype speed of the filming--if the director would have done more close ups instead of hese far shots--this movie would not have been half bad.......
murphy430
09-26-2007, 07:42 PM
I will say I was quite disappointed in the Source at first viewing on Scifi. But now that I've seen the Russian DVD, it was a good movie. with no commercials and ending without re-runs, and having seen the movie once.,
I thought it was a pretty decent movie.
My interpretation now of there can only be one, means that the Source was looking for "the one" that kept the human moral views and was not only out for himself. Not killing to kill. Which as we know is Duncan. So it's not really there can be only one. But more like "who is the one" Who of all of you immortals will have the standards to be a good leader.
bradtisme
09-27-2007, 02:59 AM
I really don't agree with you at all---The director and editing can really make or break some movies--a lack of funds and special effects techs that don't know what they are doing can as well--
If you take away the silly planets, and the hype speed of the filming--if the director would have done more close ups instead of hese far shots--this movie would not have been half bad.......
Have to say that I disagree right back. With Highlander Endgame, that argument could be sucessfully argued because in fact the DVD version was much better than the theatrical version. Many flaws were fixed, scenes added, effects improved, etc. Davis/Panzer confirm this in the commentary of it. Adrian's responsibility ended as an actor since he had no other position. The source's problems flow about half from a script with many plotholes. Those who have seen the script testify to the fact that what was shot was very close to what surfaced in the Russian release of the source. The other half of the movie's problem is the story and setting. The futuristic setting is almost unrelatable to fans as well as the characters attitudes and emotions. The leap from what the series established (setting and character-wise) is so great that it harkens to Highlander2, which was almost completely disliked by fans of the original movie, HL1. Adrian's role as executive producer put him in a position of responsiblity. If indeed editing was the problem, where was he as executive producer when this was going on? Just can't see him absolved from blame for the source.
Cara et Pax
09-27-2007, 06:38 AM
Have to say that I disagree right back. With Highlander Endgame, that argument could be sucessfully argued because in fact the DVD version was much better than the theatrical version. Many flaws were fixed, scenes added, effects improved, etc. Davis/Panzer confirm this in the commentary of it. Adrian's responsibility ended as an actor since he had no other position. The source's problems flow about half from a script with many plotholes. Those who have seen the script testify to the fact that what was shot was very close to what surfaced in the Russian release of the source. The other half of the movie's problem is the story and setting. The futuristic setting is almost unrelatable to fans as well as the characters attitudes and emotions. The leap from what the series established (setting and character-wise) is so great that it harkens to Highlander2, which was almost completely disliked by fans of the original movie, HL1. Adrian's role as executive producer put him in a position of responsiblity. If indeed editing was the problem, where was he as executive producer when this was going on? Just can't see him absolved from blame for the source.
Editing responsibility is NOT in the hands of an exexuctive producer.That task is done by the director.Also,the film went over budget and was in the hands of the insurance bond company before it was released.As Adrian himself has said elsewhere,his work as executive producer involved working with the artistic effects while filming.Even these efforts were severely hampered by the budget constraints and the lark of infrastructure in the Lithuanian film indusrty.
Regarding the script,my prior point still stands that Adrian signed on based on an earlier version of the script and with being assured that David Abramowitz would be involved with the script.As we now know,very little of David A's work is present in the finished project.
Regarding the story and setting,again refer to the Brett Leonard interview and his lack of knowledge of the series.Bill Panzer's main aim with the movie was to try to reach the young male demographic to bring in NEW fans.This was done at the expense of the already present HL the series continuity.
Vernon Gaunt
09-27-2007, 07:29 AM
So it all boils down to bad directing, bad script, insufficient funds and the audience that the film was aimed at was not the original Highlander fans. Plus a director who wants to be a director but hasn't read the script or previous scripts. Seems OK to me.
Reads notes taken at Leeds,
"Set in the near future 5-10 year crumble." OK
"Ripping off the venier of the future" OK
"A stand alone movie, but it shouldn't be. If it works" You were warned.
"Chinese butterfly knives, from hack and slash to incredible grace" errrrr not so good.
From Movie to TV and back to movie. If I was a sales person and I'd got some sort of master plan I think for piece of mind I'd stick to my current format. But then the powers that be would eventually say I'm old fashioned, move on to something new. They tried they failed. Maybe they should return to their old ways. Or maybe the audience would say, same old stuff! shrugs.
For me, I have something that many Highlander fans out there haven't got. You see I've never watched one episode of the TV series. I like movies! I've always promised I'd save that time for a very rainy day. So I have something to look forward to. And I feel for the rest of you.
So who is to blame? IMO the person paying out the money.
I have no problem with the story line, who knows what a post apocalyptic world would bring! Mad Max I II and III did it for me. But I'd have thought that The Source would fortell the coming of a new future in the world of immortals. And it does! Trouble is now are we really interested any more?
AdrianLi
09-27-2007, 12:30 PM
What's to like? The only reason to watch this "Highlander funeral" flm is just Adrian!! He is once again EXCEPTIONAL!!!!
As for the convention, I don't think many fans will be looking forward to go. If I belonged to the coordinating team, I would just cancel the whole thing.
Barney
09-28-2007, 12:44 AM
I've read through alll the comments made about the "Source" and I finally was able to see the movie on Sci-Fi. I didn't think it was as bad as some had stated, not that it was a good movie but it was entertaining and nice to be able to see some of the series actors reprising their roles. It could have been so much better but a lot had to do with the poor choice of director, the editing wasn't the best, too much wasted time on visuals when story could have been further explored, for example the traveling scene, it could have been filled with reflections by both Duncan and Methos.
For those who are blaming Adrian Paul for making a poor movie, I believe you are giving him way too much credit for the amount of control he had on this movie. Do you realize how many producers, executive producers involved in the making of a movie? Just look at the credits! The thing to remember is that it's a movie people. Disappointed? Get over it and get on with living. I for one will continue to look for new projects by Adrian Paul because he's a truly talented actor and I enjoy his performances. He's what I call an actor's actor and not just another pretty face. The characters he creates stay with you, even if they are in a not so great movie. Lighten up people and enjoy life.
StephyC
09-28-2007, 11:46 AM
The thing to remember is that it's a movie people. Disappointed? Get over it and get on with living. I for one will continue to look for new projects by Adrian Paul because he's a truly talented actor and I enjoy his performances. He's what I call an actor's actor and not just another pretty face. The characters he creates stay with you, even if they are in a not so great movie. Lighten up people and enjoy life.
Oh Amen to that Barney!!
As I said in another post somewhere here, times change, Highlander had its day and now its past. Look forward to all Adrian's future work and finally put Duncan to rest for good.
SimplyAdrianL0ver
09-28-2007, 12:21 PM
Oh Amen to that Barney!!
As I said in another post somewhere here, times change, Highlander had its day and now its past. Look forward to all Adrian's future work and finally put Duncan to rest for good.
Amen to that! Adrian is a wonderful actor with some very interestiing roles coming in the near future.
bradtisme
09-28-2007, 01:46 PM
For those that haven't seen this, here's a press conference from Lithuania featuring Adrian Paul & director Brett Leonard concerning Highlander the Source.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjrSOLHON4
Also, here's an interview Brett Leonard gave about the source. Put's the movie in perspective.
It was quite a surprise to see your name attached to Highlander: The Source [as director]. Are you a fan of the Highlander franchise?
I was a fan of the first movie, so when they came to me to do it ? it falls into the exact opposite side of my filmmaking oevre, which is, again, effects-driven fantasy sci-fi ? they really wanted to reinvigorate the franchise and do something much better from a script standpoint. I was able to develop the script to a much greater degree of satisfaction than I was able to do with Man-Thing. I just finished shooting it in Lithuania, very challenging. It was like going to the Gulag Archipelago and making a movie. There are great people, great talent there and all that but it?s just a very challenging place especially as it was all exterior nights, six-day week exterior nights in the frigid winter weather. That got a little taxing but I?m very happy with what I got in the can and I?m just starting to edit it. It?s very different. It?s what I would call the dark Highlander. It?s a very dark world. Adrian Paul is the lead. He?s playing Duncan MacLeod from the TV series. I actually had never really even seen the TV series. I?m not a big TV fan so I came fresh to him and his character. I just wanted him to be very dark and brooding, something very different to what I eventually saw in some of the episodes of the TV series. It?ll be a fresh experience for the Highlander fans. It answers some of the questions. There?s a very interesting villain called The Guardian who?s just really strange [laughs].
I've read through alll the comments made about the "Source" and I finally was able to see the movie on Sci-Fi. I didn't think it was as bad as some had stated, not that it was a good movie but it was entertaining and nice to be able to see some of the series actors reprising their roles. It could have been so much better but a lot had to do with the poor choice of director, the editing wasn't the best, too much wasted time on visuals when story could have been further explored, for example the traveling scene, it could have been filled with reflections by both Duncan and Methos.
For those who are blaming Adrian Paul for making a poor movie, I believe you are giving him way too much credit for the amount of control he had on this movie. Do you realize how many producers, executive producers involved in the making of a movie? Just look at the credits! The thing to remember is that it's a movie people. Disappointed? Get over it and get on with living. I for one will continue to look for new projects by Adrian Paul because he's a truly talented actor and I enjoy his performances. He's what I call an actor's actor and not just another pretty face. The characters he creates stay with you, even if they are in a not so great movie. Lighten up people and enjoy life.
Excellent points. I agree totally with you.
For those that haven't seen this, here's a press conference from Lithuania featuring Adrian Paul & director Brett Leonard concerning Highlander the Source.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjrSOLHON4
Also, here's an interview Brett Leonard gave about the source. Put's the movie in perspective.
It was quite a surprise to see your name attached to Highlander: The Source [as director]. Are you a fan of the Highlander franchise?
I was a fan of the first movie, so when they came to me to do it ? it falls into the exact opposite side of my filmmaking oevre, which is, again, effects-driven fantasy sci-fi ? they really wanted to reinvigorate the franchise and do something much better from a script standpoint. I was able to develop the script to a much greater degree of satisfaction than I was able to do with Man-Thing. I just finished shooting it in Lithuania, very challenging. It was like going to the Gulag Archipelago and making a movie. There are great people, great talent there and all that but it?s just a very challenging place especially as it was all exterior nights, six-day week exterior nights in the frigid winter weather. That got a little taxing but I?m very happy with what I got in the can and I?m just starting to edit it. It?s very different. It?s what I would call the dark Highlander. It?s a very dark world. Adrian Paul is the lead. He?s playing Duncan MacLeod from the TV series. I actually had never really even seen the TV series. I?m not a big TV fan so I came fresh to him and his character. I just wanted him to be very dark and brooding, something very different to what I eventually saw in some of the episodes of the TV series. It?ll be a fresh experience for the Highlander fans. It answers some of the questions. There?s a very interesting villain called The Guardian who?s just really strange [laughs].
Yes, and all of those points are made by Leonard, NOT Adrian. At that point, Adrian was locked into the project. Leonard was making the filming decisions based on total lack of knowledge, not Adrian.
TheOneWithThePrize
09-28-2007, 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=Cara et Pax;4723]Editing responsibility is NOT in the hands of an exexuctive producer.That task is done by the director.QUOTE]
That is if the director has final cut which isn't always the case. There's nothing to say Brett had that 'luxury'.
bradtisme
09-28-2007, 05:01 PM
Yes, and all of those points are made by Leonard, NOT Adrian. At that point, Adrian was locked into the project. Leonard was making the filming decisions based on total lack of knowledge, not Adrian.
But for Adrian to take it a step further and predict that it will be the best Highlander film yet is utterly ridciulous. Yes, he had a responsibility to promote the film, but surely he could have done so without saying something so off the mark and over the top. Can't anyone at least admit that Adrian failed to get enough creative control spelled out in his contract prior to taking on the souce project? If the title of Executive Producer wasn't going to ensure him enough creative control than he shouldn't hae signed on to start with.
Well, that's my 2 cents worth in. I'm done.
Victoria
09-28-2007, 06:22 PM
Hi Everyone,
This has been an interesting thread but l really am starting to feel we are going around in circles as some members try to find different ways to blame Adrian for the troubles with The Source and then others try to point out the facts. I think it is time we started to focus our wonderful imaginations and interesting conversations on other topics.
I do enjoy the great conversations we have on this Forum but sometimes we just need to let a thread go and move on. I think it is time with this one.
Please lets put our energy into something more enjoyable to talk and discuss as l am sure you could all pick three subjects straight of the top of your head to start chatting about. How about Adrian, Adrian and oh maybe more Adrian ;)
However, seriously there is so much going on at the moment. Lost Colony is about to be released. Problem there is that it is only in the US, now this is something maybe we should talk about. How do we go about getting this so all of Adrians fans can watch what looks like a fantastic movie.
Not to forget Adrian's Charity PEACE has a major fundraiser only weeks away. What can we all do to help make this a great success and raise some money for the Children?
Victoria
09-28-2007, 07:05 PM
Ok l think l should mention the name of the Fundraiser coming up for The PEACE Fund is "Crazy Tie Day". You can find out more information here.
http://adrianpaulpeace.org/
Plus many more exciting things to come for PEACE over the coming year.
pepeperfume
09-28-2007, 07:21 PM
For those who are blaming Adrian Paul for making a poor movie, I believe you are giving him way too much credit for the amount of control he had on this movie. Do you realize how many producers, executive producers involved in the making of a movie? Just look at the credits! The thing to remember is that it's a movie people. Disappointed? Get over it and get on with living. I for one will continue to look for new projects by Adrian Paul because he's a truly talented actor and I enjoy his performances. He's what I call an actor's actor and not just another pretty face. The characters he creates stay with you, even if they are in a not so great movie. Lighten up people and enjoy life.
Couldn't agree with you more--and truly, if you were not following the news as the movie developed, the last really positive news we heard about this movie was from Adrian's Diary--while he was filming---
After filming?when the movie was put together, edited, special effects added?mostly under I would guess Leonard?s direction we started hearing things:
Mention of LG returning the movie to PD-->???? and it was for editing reasons I believe.
The movie gets released in Russia and everyone is saying it is an unfinished, unauthorized released?what I find amusing is I actually liked that version over all the others?.
News that the movie is over budget and an Insurance company had now got editorial and creative control---(that?s scary)
News that the director doesn't know anything about Highlander--not the series--not the movies--Duh, what rock was he living under--and why take on a project you know nothing about!
It is only a movie--a highlander movie which nobody ever seems to like--because it is always a rip against the first. And in this particular movie, you can't get the closeness and feeling you got with the series--which was really what made the series rock!
So--I am glad it got made because there was plenty of great scenes between Duncan and Joe, Duncan and Methos--Joe and Methos! I didn't expect it to be better than the 1st movie or better than the series---
hglndr24
10-02-2007, 01:50 PM
Personally, I think the movie went completely in another direction to what we have seen on the previous Highlanders movies and TV series. Again, AP acting is good, but even I noticed that he could have done better or show a better dialogue, but again we all know how awful that story was and/or the script was. I did not see the same passionate Highlander (AP) that we saw in the series nor the Endgame movie. You know what? I think the producers should have taken the story arc in the Highlander the series show about the four horseman, "Comes a Horseman and Revelations 6:8" Letting AP direct it, it would have been a movie worthy of the big screen, way better that even Endgame. But you guys are right, AP should keep moving to different and new things as he currently is. I would have loved to see him doing the third 'The Hitman' movie (1 done by Chuck Norris and the '2' one done by Eddie Cibrian. Think that would have been a cool role for AP, James Bond? no doubt, and even a cool Batman, instead of Michael Keaton and/or the others that followed. He is a very versatile and diverse actor. He is chosen interesting, different scenarios. In my opinion, I think AP have been underrated, and he should have shined even brighter than he is, has he been given the chance with other franchises besides Highlander. Best wishes to AP in all his future projects to come.
jobranham1964
11-06-2007, 02:00 PM
i've not seen this yet - and from the posts here i'm a bit apprehensive about trying it. The YT trailer vid looks very dark...
but i found it interesting [from reading this thread] to find that something i have always felt - that the "there can be only one" was a lie - was proven in this movie. am i psychic or what? :)
seriously, considering duncan and how much he loves his friends - i've always wondered about that. i mean, if he, methos and amanda were the last immortals, would he take their heads? no - not unless they forced him to. he would never have killed connor or half the people he did if they hadn't forced him. so... i always assumed - in my mind - that "there can be only one" was something made up by someone in the beginning of immortality who wanted to rule the world - not just be a part of it as duncan always tried to be.
it's gratifying to find i was partially right anyway.
i watched the trailer on YouTube. so i'm assuming anna got pregnant during the time that duncan says - we're all mortal now. i can live with that. how do you all like anna? as a die hard series fan, i'm still thinking of tessa as his one true, greatest love...
does duncan die in the end? or does he stay mortal? i don't want everything to change too drastically...
:D Hi Jo. Welcome to the board!! "The Source" is quite different from the other Highlander movies and the Series. Kind of a mix of the two. It is IMHO worth seeing. I actually liked it. The actress who portrayed Anna did a good job but there wasn't the same connection with her character as with Tessa. Duncan's loyalty to his friends comes through even though he's very jaded. Yes the other Highlander films prior to this one led you to believe that all the immortals would die in battle leaving only one. This movie clarifies what that saying meant. Only one would be chosen to have a child. My assumption is that it was planned to have this child represent the new beginning that was needed to bring the world out of the chaos and decay and that only a man of Duncan's character would be considered fit for the task of fathering such a child. You should see it if only to satisfy your own curiosity.
jobranham1964
11-07-2007, 03:18 PM
thanks for responding, cocoknight. i may rent it when it comes out. see, if i rent it, it's not in the house - and if i don't like it i can pretend that one never happened. *lol* sad, huh?
i found some of the other spoiler threads for this movie and i see that while duncan does not die, we are still unsure of his immortality status at the end of the movie. as well as whether methos is alive... i've always enjoyed methos, so i hope he got away. very very very sad to hear about joe. he was gorgeous for an old mortal guy - and i loved his interaction with both duncan and methos. especially duncan, tho.
i personally don't have a tv, but i watch a couple of shows with my neighbor. back when they were showing repeats of HL on tnt or usa network, i watched most of the series. that was great - a new show every afternoon. i think they were running repeats while HL was actually still on regular tv. my laptop has a dvd player so i've bought seasons 1-3 - i'm on S2right now.
The Source basic idea is not bad, and unless I missed something Methoes rode off, and we are left to think he was going to be killed. I dont think there's Only one. Also what would happen if say MacCloud remained mortal and was killed, a random act like Tessa and Methoes raises the soon to be immortal child - the flashbacks could be great - and a new series would be born, after all DM must pass the torch sometime and all studios care about is their wallet. I don't know, mabe thats a bad idea, Please don't send hate mail.
Blue Topaz
11-15-2007, 10:59 PM
Every post has great points!
My perspective may be unique because I accidentally found "The Source" while channel surfing one day and got hooked right in. I had never previously even heard of the "Highlander" before, and yet I found myself drawn in to the movie.
To me, the movie was interesting and made me want to learn more about its original story-line source.
So the movie may have had an unintended (or intended) consequence. It brought in a new "fan," who is not impressed with celebrity, but is impressed with talent, and many of the cast members of The Source are very good actors!
:D You are certainly Welcome Jo. I was a workaholic when the Highlander series first started running but I managed to catch a couple of epis and part of AP's "Tonight Show" appearance. I didn't join the group here until 2004 when I became homebound from an illness. I started catching the reruns on Spike TV. Fell in love with the show and began to wonder what happened to cast of the show and wound up here. Been here ever since and enjoy getting to meet fellow fans.
bryant.wanda
11-17-2007, 06:58 PM
I was blessed to catch the start of Highlander. I bought my home computer in Sept. '07. By chance I put Adrian Paul's name into it. I found this site. I'm having a lot of fun talking with others too. Even though I might be going broke from buying all his movies I didn't know Adrian Paul had made.:p If it hadn't been for this site, I would never have known about them.
Sketchy24
12-10-2007, 11:29 AM
Hey, I'm new... I read through the posts quickly so I may have missed it but is there somewhere Adrian actually responded to this movie after it was complete? I was just curious what he thought since he seemed so... "best highlander ever" at first.
And someone said this movie was aimed at young boys but rated R? THat doesn't make much sense =/ Plus I always thought both the movie and show were aimed more at guys anyway... I dunno I always liked it anyway. I'm relatively new to the TV series but IMO it was one of the best shows ever on TV. Actually bought all 6 seasons and the Raven and I never buy TV series (aside from Jim Hensons The Storyteller but that only lasted like half a season so it hardly counts). Swordfighting, action, mystery, a touch of romance and the themes of immortals outlasting everything around em... plus the whole concept of "the game" though they pretty much threw that out the window. But whats not to love?
Anyway... and Adrian seems cool BTW. Never knew what he was like IRL. I was kinda hoping for more commentaries by him on the series DVDs cause they were pretty entertaining what was there.
Vernon Gaunt
12-11-2007, 09:19 PM
This film is so bad we've got the Russian version, aquired the one on the Sci Fi channel and am awaiting the UK release.
WHY?
You never know there may be something else like a blooper reel! Mind that'll probably be longer than the actual film.
Oh and Bryant.Wanda (is that WANDA?)if you really want to have some fun try finding out the various names Adrian Paul goes by in every country. It was by doing this we (Stephy and I) found out that The Source was to be released in Russia on DVD before anywhere else. This caused a stir! LOL.
bryant.wanda
12-12-2007, 06:14 AM
It's plain old Wanda. How did the two of you find all the names?:)
Vernon Gaunt
12-12-2007, 01:16 PM
Wanda, one starts by checking out the country domain letters etc and then loads of highlander searches, If the name Adrian Paul has a different spelling you'll find it in the film title.
For instance Эдриан Пол is Russian
Adrian폴 is Korean etc. You have to sit down and think about it.
Good luck, Oh and Babel Fish does transalations to a certain extent.
don't you love the way the Koreans translate this one
"LOVE POSYEON NUMBER 9"
bryant.wanda
12-12-2007, 10:57 PM
Okay I got it. Thanks, I'll try it.:)
Sketchy24
01-06-2008, 01:01 PM
So does this mean Adrians never said how he felt about the source? Just curious what he had to say. Sorry I didn't realize I was wearing my invisibility cloak the last time I posted....
Hi and Welcome Sketchy!!! Maybe you will find some of the answers you seek here: http://www.adrianpaul.net/producer.html
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