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Scarpetta
12-18-2008, 02:04 PM
This was touched on 'somewhere' in these threads, but I didn't find it with a brief search so for those who might be interested:

A landmark agreement to be announced Thursday will return to the Klamath Tribes about 90,000 acres of their one-time southern Oregon reservation that the federal government sliced up and sold off more than 50 years ago.
The government's strategy at the time was to integrate the tribes into mainstream society. But the opposite happened: The once-prosperous tribes descended into poverty, with many members giving up school and dying alcohol-related deaths.

The land deal scheduled for unveiling Thursday restores only a small slice of the tribes' former 2.5-million-acre reservation. But it's one of the largest pieces of land to be returned to Northwest tribes that once controlled it. And it gives tribal members renewed control over some of their historic resources -- and their destiny.

Careful management of the forested land, known as the Mazama Tract, also promises to improve the quality and quantity of water flowing off the land and into the Klamath Basin, where water is often in short supply and has been the source of pitched, sometimes emotional, struggles.
"There're a lot of contributions this property can bring to the tribes and the Klamath Basin," said Jeff Mitchell, a tribal councilman who helped develop the agreement.

Klamath Tribes -- composed of the Klamath, Modoc and Yahooskin -- once occupied a 23 million-acre homeland, but the U.S. government eventually limited the tribes to a reservation about one-tenth the size. Even then, the tribes were largely self-sufficient, bringing in revenue from reservation timber, ranching and farming.
They were so successful, the tribes were considered among the wealthiest in the nation, providing jobs, medical care, land and loans to members.

Then Congress in 1953 adopted a policy of "termination," designed to fold tribal members into society. The government no longer officially recognized the tribes and liquidated their reservation, selling off lucrative parcels and turning the rest into national forest.


more at the link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2008/12/land_deal_returns_slice_of_kla.html

Government gets it wrong quite often. We sometimes correct the error but at what human cost?

Sam
12-18-2008, 04:04 PM
:eek::) I'm glad to hear this.
I had seen a segment of this tribe's story somewhere. I think it was on GPTV. But it was really bad how their lives had just disintergrated over the years.
The story was told by kids with their parents. It was really heartwrenching.

Coolwater
12-19-2008, 03:16 AM
Yeah, when genocide ran it's course, the next step was to try to make them "White." You should hear some of the stories from the now-grown kids who got sent to boarding schools, or who were taken from their parents and reared in Anglo families, not knowing they were Indians.:(

Whitedove
12-29-2008, 04:21 AM
Yeah, when genocide ran it's course, the next step was to try to make them "White." You should hear some of the stories from the now-grown kids who got sent to boarding schools, or who were taken from their parents and reared in Anglo families, not knowing they were Indians.:(

Sorry for butting in,It's been a while since I ben in here. I don't think I've every heard of the Klamath Tribes. But then again a lot of the Western tribes don't think there are still Eastern tribes left other then the Cherokee's or the Mohawks. Up until the late 80's in Virginia and parts of North Carolina your grandparents and parents didn't talk about being native. You were not to know about it I didn't find out about my Native side until after my mother death I was pull into it.

When it comes to schools we still have a problem with it. I have to stop most time and catch my self because I have a hard time speaking english. I had one native friend tease me about my words trying to find then one afternoon. He goes "yep your native" There's a story about a little Native boy called "The teaching of Little tree" that tells about how the Anglo tried to teach the natives. And if you speak to most native we don't like money we still have a hard time with that. Don't give me a checkbook cause I refuse to keep that bal's.

Any why, I'm glad that they are able to return the land back to Klamath tribes. Here in Va. the tribes are still trying to get the Goverment to regconize them and we were the ones to greet the English first. go figure.

Whitedove
12-29-2008, 04:23 AM
sorry [been] see what I mean.....lol

Scarpetta
12-29-2008, 06:21 PM
I don't do too great on my checkbook balance either Whitedove! My theory is as long as I have checks I must have cash!

Your input on these topics involving Native Americans is far from butting in, but most welcome.

My family history goes back to Cherokee County North Carolina. My knowledge of the allied families is sketchy but I do enjoy learning more.

Littledevil
12-30-2008, 07:04 PM
On my fathers side my great, great grandmother was cherokee. Unfortunalty I don't have much knowledge of the heritage. I know more about my Scottish side. On my mother's side my grandfather immigrated through Ellis Island. He was born in Glasgow Scotland. Funny thing even before I knew I was part Cherokee I was always drawn to the music and culture. Same as I've always been drawn to my Socttish Heritage. I am glad to hear that they will get back some of their land.

Scarpetta
12-31-2008, 02:54 PM
On my fathers side my great, great grandmother was cherokee. Unfortunalty I don't have much knowledge of the heritage. I know more about my Scottish side. On my mother's side my grandfather immigrated through Ellis Island. He was born in Glasgow Scotland. Funny thing even before I knew I was part Cherokee I was always drawn to the music and culture. Same as I've always been drawn to my Socttish Heritage. I am glad to hear that they will get back some of their land.

A good many of us have ancestors from Scotland.

Ellis Island does have a wonderful searchable online database if you are interested. Registration is free.

As for the Cherokee part, tracking ancestory is hard but not impossible, especially if you find kin registered on Chapman Rolls and others. Online sources for that as well.

Littledevil
01-01-2009, 04:40 PM
I may have to look into that. BTW, my mother has been doing the geneology on our Scottish side for some time now. We can trace our ancestry back to the 1600s. Really interesting. We went to a family reunion in 2003 to Scotland. I took around 1600 pictures on that trip and my extended family was great. We all dressed in our clan tartans, fun!

Sam
01-02-2009, 07:13 AM
:( I don't know much about our Indian ancestry either. I know that my family bloodlines have Cherokee, Blackfoot, and Seminole. I know that most of my other ancestors were Irish and they immigrated through North Carolina.
I grew up on land that was full of arrowheads and we used to collect them as children and we used to celebrate Easter at the Kolomoki State Park and Burial Mounds. Unfortunately any family that might have been able to tell me anything about my ancestors has passed away. I do know that there were certain herbal medical remedies and beliefs that we were taught to use as children came from our Indian heritage but it was incoporated with our Irish heritage so it is hard to remember what came from whom..

Coolwater
01-08-2009, 03:07 AM
90, 000 acres! Go, Klamath!

We have a tiny pinch of Mohawk from waaaay back in the late 1600s when the Dutch and the Iroquois were intermarrying. The history was handed down orally, in secret, to avoid the wrath of the bigots in the family and the community, along with attitudes and lore about natural history (the world of earth, plants and animals). My grandpa told me, his daddy told him, and so on. Even though Grandpa was proud of it, the Iroquois Confederacy decreed long before the Whites showed up that if an Iroquois ever denied being one, his lie became the truth, and he was no longer an Iroquois!
So, that was that.

What is your mother language, White Dove? You're right: I thought the Leni Lenape had all died out, but one of them cheerfully informed me otherwise. :D (And, boy, was he cute!) Hey, have you visited the Phoenix, Arizona area? 21 tribes live in the region, and most of them are from there, that is, they were not resettled there. The tribal gatherings there are wonderful, and it would do your heart good to be with so many people who are so proud and open about being Indians. And the food is good, too. ;)

Scarpetta
01-09-2009, 06:00 PM
The wonder of going to a Pow-Wow is an experience everyone should try. The North-Western States have many, and the emersion in Indian culture is inspiring.

The South-west Indian culture is amazing. One can experience a great deal of that around the Grand Canyon as well. Opens ones eyes and we all could use more of that.